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welcome to the skeptic zone the podcast

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from australia for science and reason

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yes it's the skeptic zone podcast

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episode number

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671 for the 15th of august 2021 richard

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saunders coming to you from

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oh the continuing lockdown here in

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sydney australia which has since

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yesterday

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been extended to the entire state of new

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south wales

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yesterday's covert 19 figures coming out

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of this state were

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not good

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466 which is a record unfortunately

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and the fear is that the numbers could

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go over 500 a day

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so

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uh yes the whole state's in lockdown

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with new measures being put into place

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to stop people moving about um

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you have to have very good reasons to

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even leave your house we live in

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troubling times

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which leads us into the first item on

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today's show

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news reports to do with covert 19 and

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the

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reckless action taken by some

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who think that the law does not apply to

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them

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or who think that covert 19 is a hoax

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and these people really aren't helping

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the situation

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one little bit

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included in what you'll hear is the

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frightening story of some

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one who attacked

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a covert 19

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health care worker

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following that it's the newsletter from

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australian skeptics

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which we have every other week

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written and compiled by tim menden and

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read this week once again

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by adrian hill now hats off to adrian

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hill she spent a lot of time and effort

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getting her little home studio all set

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up with wonderful

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sound dampening around the place she's

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got a lovely microphone

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and that reflects quite well i think on

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because it doesn't reflect the sound if

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you get my meaning and it reminds me of

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uh what our reporter michelle biggesmar

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also has done in her little recording

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environment putting up sound

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dampening on the walls and having a

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decent microphone and a little bit of

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practice makes makes a lot of difference

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if you're doing a podcast i think oh and

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speaking of michelle listen out later on

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in the show you might hear the skeptical

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fairy

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then to round off the show

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a very interesting trove segment where

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we look into the case of jack the ripper

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jack the ripper and psychics

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one story that was repeated quite a lot

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about a century ago about

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somebody a

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alleged psychic by the name of liz

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with his psychic tips into jack the

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ripper and this is such an interesting

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such an interesting story that i might

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even do a part two next week where we

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look at more modern

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uh attempts by so-called psychics to

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uncover the identity of jack the ripper

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you're under lockdown don't don't forget

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you can still get out of the house to

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exercise which i encourage you to do

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and take a nice walk through any local

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park or garden if you can you might see

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some lovely yellow wattle come out

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soak in the sun for a brief while

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maybe while you're listening to the

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skeptic zone but now it's time for me to

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and i wonder if there's any

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chili duck peanuts left in the fridge

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chili peanut duck duck chili peanuts

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peanut chili duck duct tube

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well i do that i hope you enjoy the

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skeptic zone

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what an eventful week it has been since

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in regards to covert 19 and the delta

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variation here in australia

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setbacks as far as the fight goes

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unfortunately and now much more of this

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state new south wales is in lockdown

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what sincerely and really doesn't help

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the reports of a man who traveled from

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infectious with covert 19.

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my desk from abc news here in australia

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reddy and hannah ross

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a sydney man who triggered a covert 19

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hospital after allegedly driving to the

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some more news about uh covert 19

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we've been covering for some time now in

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freedom now anti-lockdown

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barely anybody showed up and the same

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melbourne a few days ago and here's a

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news.com.eu that they arrested 73 people

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it's more and more apparent that a lot

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was a flop however there were thousands

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of police running around the city like

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maybe that's a win

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and says also look on the brighter side

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last minute cold weather lockdowns it's

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harder to get people out under those

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the protest wasn't a flop the police

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just upped their game they stopped

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trains and diverted trams to stop people

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coming in the people were there

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and finally one more story

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covered in here in the sydney morning

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herald but widely covered on the media

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in the last week and this is a story by

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story of a man who

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attacked a healthcare worker as she went

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about her duties at a covert 19 testing

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center a man has been charged after a

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female covert 19 testing site worker was

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allegedly verbally abused and punched on

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the 50 year old man who was not wearing

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a face mask the police say here that

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they have been told the man began

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filming the 31 year old worker on his

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mobile phone before verbally abusing her

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about vaccinations

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the man then allegedly dislodged the

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woman's mask

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and punched her to the head police will

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allege the man came up to one of the

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workers pushed a telephone

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into her face

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dislodged her mask and struck her

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in the face said some horrible things

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and then left the scene as others came

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to help the lady officers arrested the

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man at his home in tilopia in sydney's

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west just before 10 30 a.m on wednesday

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he was taken to granville police station

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where he was charged with common assault

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two counts of possessing a prohibited

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drug and breaching the public health

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orders

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the man was granted conditional bail

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to attend barramata local court on

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september 28th and i have seen other

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reports that

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suggest

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and just a note of caution here anything

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that is before the courts

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in this country we have to be very

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careful about what we say so it's been

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suggested or alleged

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that he was

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saying some sort of conspiracy theory

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anti-vaccination

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things along the way

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whatever the case

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we can imagine that some people in our

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community have been completely fired up

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by viewing

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anti-vaccination conspiracy videos

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online reading propaganda

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that they

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feel empowered to grab their phones and

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run around filming people

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to confront them

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about the covert 19 hoax and and

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whatever

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and in this case we say possibly

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allegedly

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it's resulted in the

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physical assault of a healthcare worker

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but yeah

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well what's the harm in believing

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conspiracy theories

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and just harking back to that flag don't

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tread on me

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this is known as the gadsden flag and

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according to wiki

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the gadsden flag is an historical

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american flag

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with a yellow field depicting a timber

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rattlesnake coiled and ready to strike

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beneath the rattlesnake are the words

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don't tread on me

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some modern versions of the flag include

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an apostrophe

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the flag is named after politician

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1724-1805 who designed it in

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1775 during the american revolution it

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was used by the continental marines as

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an early motto flag

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it is sometimes used in the united

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states as a symbol for gun rights and

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limited government yes that's all very

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well and very interesting and a nice

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little piece of

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historical information

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but people running around in protests in

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australia waving that flag

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again they're just simply seeing things

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on the internet and

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maybe they want to move to america i

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don't know

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it's a bit weird well good luck we can't

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go anywhere at the moment with the cover

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19 restrictions

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partly thanks to people who run around

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waving flags at protests extending the

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lockdown for everybody

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[Music]

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anyway that's just a little wrap up of

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some covert 19 related news coming out

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of australia in the last week

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drinking hey drinks hey

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so nice to be back at skeptics in the

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pub yes richard it's great that covert

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19 is a thing of the past and we can

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gather together and not wear masks

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although i will occasionally you know

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like you know in special situations you

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know what i mean

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this this beer tastes better than i

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remember

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and

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this beer glass is much bigger than i

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remember hmm

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oh thanks for this i'll get the next

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round ah no need all the beer is free

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tonight free

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wow did you hear that all the

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anti-vaxxers and flat earthers have

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changed their minds what

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really yeah yeah yeah they're now busy

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writing apology letters to the whole

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world they're really busy they're gonna

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have to sharpen their pencil if you know

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what i mean ah look it's lara coming

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over here with a plate full of food hi

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youtube did you know that the food at

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the bar is free tonight anything you

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want really you have to try the lobster

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chips lobster and chips oh wow this is

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like a dream and this pub now has

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recliner chairs a free foot massage for

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everyone and vouchers for uber rides

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home

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wow hang on this seems too good to be

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true who's the guest speaker it's not

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bloody brian dunning is it let me see

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uh

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this is odd it says here it's the

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skeptical fairy godmother angel from the

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internet the skeptical godmoth fairy in

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[Laughter]

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up woman hello everyone who are you like

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you're only 10 centimeters tall that's

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about 4 inches for those of you using

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the darth vader imperial system and

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floating in the air that can't be right

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as lara said i'm the skeptical fairy

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godmother angel from the internet ask a

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silly question

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and you're tonight's guest speaker well

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not really

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i have come to tell you that yes

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i thought this was too good to be true i

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know we can't meet in pubs at the moment

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but that shouldn't stop you from

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enjoying skeptical talks online

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the fixed skeptics have skeptics cafe

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each month

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sydney has skeptics in the pub

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there are online events from the gold

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coast and yes yes

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this all sounds eerily familiar

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have we met before somewhere maybe we

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have

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maybe

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it was as we watched a live and

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interactive skeptical talk

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all you need do is search for them

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online no matter where you are in the

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world she's right i've been watching

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skeptical talks from the uk the us and

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even one from my own living room

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although that one wasn't very

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interesting i fell asleep and i was the

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speaker hang on hang on

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weren't you once the tooth fairy

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i'll never live that down

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one last question yes

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just whose dream is this

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she disappeared but um we're still here

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huh

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right

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so

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um

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lobster and chips anyone

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all right now it's a dream you want to

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[Music]

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hello everyone this is adrian hill and

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this week i'm reading the highlights

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again from the australian skeptics

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newsletter written and compiled by tim

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mendem

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this is newsletter number 129

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which was posted on the 10th of august

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hi all it says

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the innovative skepticon joint

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australian and new zealand conference is

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just around the corner well

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three months away

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info on speakers and ticket prices will

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be available soon but in the meantime

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why not nominate a winner for the bent

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spoon

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read on

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tim

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and remember that each story comes with

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a to read more when you subscribe to the

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newsletter

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bent spoon nominations

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so nominations are now open for the

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australian skeptics bent spoon award

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one of the least sought-after credits in

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the skeptical world

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or any world for that matter i wonder

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who it's going to be this year can't

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wait to find out

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skepticon register your interest now

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registrations of interest are now open

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for skepticon the 2021 australian

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skeptic's annual national convention

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which this year will be held

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on november 20th to 21st

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it will be a joint event held by

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australian skeptics in sydney australia

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and the new zealand skeptics in

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wellington new zealand with face-to-face

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and online participation available covet

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willing

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note that of course should the current

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situation in sydney regarding covid and

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lockdowns continue then we may be forced

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to have an online only convention for

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the sydney component

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details of the speakers and ticket

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prices will be available soon but in the

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meantime please register your interest

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at

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skepticon.org dot a u so you can receive

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the latest information

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[Music]

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11 million dollar unlawful advertising

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penalty sets a record

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[Music]

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a supplier of unapproved sport

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supplements has been fined 11 million

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dollars as the therapeutic goods

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administration points out their

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potential to damage health

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the federal court of australia has

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ordered evolution supplements australia

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to pay 11 million dollars for unlawfully

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advertising a range of unapproved sport

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supplement products including reference

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to steroids selective androgen receptor

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modulators or sarms and pre-workout

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products containing dmaa and other

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amphetamine derivatives in breach of the

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therapeutic goods act of 1989.

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oxygen therapy company fined 550k

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after death of customer odir

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an alternative health practice and its

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clinical director have been fined a

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combined total of nearly

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727 000 following the death of a

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customer in 2016.

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former chiropractor malcolm hooper and

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hyperbaric oxygen therapy provider

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oxymed were each convicted of three work

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safety related charges

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all of failing to ensure a workplace is

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safe and without risks to health

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hooper was fined a hundred and seventy

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six thousand seven hundred and fifty

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dollars while the company was fined 550

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000

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the customer was a long-term client with

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multiple sclerosis ms induced epilepsy

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and a history of life-threatening

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pete evans remember him

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selling his health lab

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less than a year after it opened

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it was meant to be a new chapter for

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pete evans after being dumped from his

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tv gig but the controversial cook's

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latest venture is a flop

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the two-time bent spood award winner is

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selling his health lab business to byron

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bay less than a year after opening for a

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below replacement price advertised at

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295

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000

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the evolve health lab

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try and say that five times fast

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the evolve health lab was launched in

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september last year and offer services

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such as a cryotherapy chamber where

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people expose their body to low

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temperatures

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red light therapy and a hyperbaric

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treatment chamber

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[Music]

578
00:24:08,950 --> 00:24:06,480
sky news one week youtube suspension

579
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over covet misinformation

580
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sky news australia is serving a one-week

581
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suspension from youtube after the video

582
00:24:18,789 --> 00:24:15,840
platform's review of the channel's

583
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content old youtube videos on sky news

584
00:24:23,590 --> 00:24:21,360
australia's channel have been taken down

585
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for violating covet 19 medical

586
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misinformation policies

587
00:24:31,190 --> 00:24:28,480
sky news has rejected that any of its

588
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television presenters deny the existence

589
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of covet 19.

590
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[Music]

591
00:24:44,230 --> 00:24:39,760
india's first paranormal helpline

592
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reveals spooky ghost encounter claims

593
00:24:49,430 --> 00:24:46,400
an interesting and apparently highly

594
00:24:51,990 --> 00:24:49,440
successful activity from indian skeptics

595
00:24:54,630 --> 00:24:52,000
the country's first and only paranormal

596
00:24:57,510 --> 00:24:54,640
helpline set up in january 2020

597
00:24:59,029 --> 00:24:57,520
successfully attended 1000 calls per

598
00:25:01,830 --> 00:24:59,039
week recently

599
00:25:05,190 --> 00:25:01,840
it was started by the paranormal company

600
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and aims to spread awareness against

601
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superstitions

602
00:25:09,830 --> 00:25:07,760
[Music]

603
00:25:11,909 --> 00:25:09,840
from calls made out of curiosity to

604
00:25:15,190 --> 00:25:11,919
people calling to share their paranormal

605
00:25:18,710 --> 00:25:15,200
experiences the helpline has heard all

606
00:25:21,510 --> 00:25:18,720
types of bizarre and spooky accounts

607
00:25:23,830 --> 00:25:21,520
speaking about the idea behind setting

608
00:25:26,630 --> 00:25:23,840
up a paranormal helpline paranormal

609
00:25:28,630 --> 00:25:26,640
investigator jay alani said

610
00:25:31,029 --> 00:25:28,640
the main purpose of this paranormal

611
00:25:33,909 --> 00:25:31,039
helpline is to cut down the blind faith

612
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and superstitions as much as possible by

613
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telling and showing people the reality

614
00:25:41,190 --> 00:25:38,320
and logical reasoning behind the

615
00:25:42,970 --> 00:25:41,200
apparent paranormal events that they

616
00:25:45,230 --> 00:25:42,980
claim to have witnessed

617
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[Music]

618
00:25:51,110 --> 00:25:48,080
anti-vaxxers getting support thanks to

619
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christian crowdfunding site oh dear

620
00:25:55,830 --> 00:25:53,760
vaccine deniers with large followers are

621
00:25:58,870 --> 00:25:55,840
turning to crowdfunding platforms both

622
00:26:01,430 --> 00:25:58,880
the relatively obscure give send go

623
00:26:03,990 --> 00:26:01,440
and the mainstream gofundme to fund

624
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their activities often to the tune of

625
00:26:09,269 --> 00:26:06,400
hundreds of thousands of dollars gifts

626
00:26:11,750 --> 00:26:09,279
and go describes itself as a place for

627
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christians a place to fund hope a place

628
00:26:15,750 --> 00:26:14,000
to pray and connect with the body of

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christ around the world

630
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a place not only to raise money but a

631
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place for givers senders and goers to

632
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work together to be the light of the

633
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world

634
00:26:31,830 --> 00:26:30,870
the real story behind australia's urban

635
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legends

636
00:26:39,430 --> 00:26:36,960
in school playgrounds helped form local

637
00:26:42,149 --> 00:26:39,440
identities and reflect the culture and

638
00:26:43,990 --> 00:26:42,159
history of the places they grow

639
00:26:47,669 --> 00:26:44,000
that includes paranormal topics like

640
00:26:51,669 --> 00:26:47,679
yowies big cats and ghosts

641
00:26:52,870 --> 00:26:51,679
ufos and the boundaries of science

642
00:26:56,149 --> 00:26:52,880
excellent

643
00:26:57,990 --> 00:26:56,159
and long article on the history of ufos

644
00:27:01,909 --> 00:26:58,000
and their proponents and the belief

645
00:27:06,950 --> 00:27:04,870
the june 2021 issue of the skeptic is

646
00:27:10,310 --> 00:27:06,960
out with a major feature on why people

647
00:27:12,149 --> 00:27:10,320
believe as opposed to what they believe

648
00:27:14,230 --> 00:27:12,159
what psychologists and science leaders

649
00:27:16,470 --> 00:27:14,240
think the legal implications of holding

650
00:27:18,710 --> 00:27:16,480
beliefs and case studies of the victory

651
00:27:20,230 --> 00:27:18,720
of belief over reason

652
00:27:22,149 --> 00:27:20,240
we also look at the myths and

653
00:27:24,870 --> 00:27:22,159
conspiracies associated with the port

654
00:27:27,750 --> 00:27:24,880
arthur massacre that tragic event which

655
00:27:29,190 --> 00:27:27,760
occurred 25 years ago

656
00:27:33,430 --> 00:27:29,200
and the article everyone has been

657
00:27:36,870 --> 00:27:33,440
waiting for a history of sydney unis

658
00:27:39,830 --> 00:27:36,880
oxymetrical society

659
00:27:41,990 --> 00:27:39,840
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660
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663
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664
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665
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666
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667
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668
00:28:05,750 --> 00:28:02,640
something you want to get off your chest

669
00:28:07,990 --> 00:28:05,760
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670
00:28:12,789 --> 00:28:08,000
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671
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672
00:28:19,909 --> 00:28:17,960
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673
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674
00:28:24,950 --> 00:28:23,120
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675
00:28:26,750 --> 00:28:24,960
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677
00:28:31,590 --> 00:28:29,360
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00:28:33,190 --> 00:28:31,600
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679
00:28:36,070 --> 00:28:33,200
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680
00:28:37,430 --> 00:28:36,080
how to tell if a clairvoyant is real or

681
00:28:38,789 --> 00:28:37,440
a scammer

682
00:28:40,389 --> 00:28:38,799
or

683
00:28:43,510 --> 00:28:40,399
how to give tips to scamming

684
00:28:45,510 --> 00:28:43,520
clairvoyance so they can pretend to be

685
00:28:48,389 --> 00:28:45,520
real

686
00:28:50,870 --> 00:28:48,399
travel tip are these the nine most

687
00:28:53,430 --> 00:28:50,880
haunted places in ireland

688
00:28:56,549 --> 00:28:53,440
you know the usual suspects castles

689
00:29:00,070 --> 00:28:56,559
forts lunatic asylums and old houses

690
00:29:03,740 --> 00:29:00,080
except for the vampire buried in county

691
00:29:06,230 --> 00:29:03,750
dairy vertically and upside down

692
00:29:08,149 --> 00:29:06,240
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693
00:29:10,549 --> 00:29:08,159
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694
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00:29:30,310 --> 00:29:27,750
www.skeptics.com hi i'm ben radford

697
00:29:32,870 --> 00:29:30,320
co-host of squaring strange podcast

698
00:29:34,870 --> 00:29:32,880
in these trying times as we help each

699
00:29:36,870 --> 00:29:34,880
other out to hold on to hope we want you

700
00:29:38,870 --> 00:29:36,880
to know that we're here for you hey hey

701
00:29:40,230 --> 00:29:38,880
what are you going on about

702
00:29:43,269 --> 00:29:40,240
who's interrupting my heartfelt

703
00:29:45,350 --> 00:29:43,279
promotional copy it's me celestia ward

704
00:29:48,310 --> 00:29:45,360
your co-host

705
00:29:49,830 --> 00:29:48,320
really in these trying times that's the

706
00:29:51,269 --> 00:29:49,840
best you can do

707
00:29:53,190 --> 00:29:51,279
well i'm just doing what everyone else

708
00:29:55,830 --> 00:29:53,200
is doing i thought

709
00:29:57,830 --> 00:29:55,840
that's not what we do

710
00:30:01,029 --> 00:29:57,840
oh for crying out loud who else is here

711
00:30:01,909 --> 00:30:01,039
pasqual romero your other co-host

712
00:30:04,710 --> 00:30:01,919
hey

713
00:30:06,230 --> 00:30:04,720
we don't do what everybody else does ben

714
00:30:08,789 --> 00:30:06,240
that's kind of our thing at squaring the

715
00:30:10,549 --> 00:30:08,799
strange yeah we try to approach things a

716
00:30:12,789 --> 00:30:10,559
little differently than your standard

717
00:30:15,269 --> 00:30:12,799
skeptical talky talk show

718
00:30:17,590 --> 00:30:15,279
we do our own thing bringing science

719
00:30:19,190 --> 00:30:17,600
critical thinking and skepticism to bear

720
00:30:20,789 --> 00:30:19,200
on issues of the day

721
00:30:23,669 --> 00:30:20,799
we've got a professional skeptical

722
00:30:26,389 --> 00:30:23,679
author ben who has decades of experience

723
00:30:28,950 --> 00:30:26,399
researching topics for a dozen books and

724
00:30:30,870 --> 00:30:28,960
thousands of articles and a cartoonist

725
00:30:32,549 --> 00:30:30,880
skeptic celestia who knows her stuff

726
00:30:34,630 --> 00:30:32,559
when it comes to facial weirdness and

727
00:30:37,110 --> 00:30:34,640
the psychology of perception and a

728
00:30:39,350 --> 00:30:37,120
badass heavy metal rock star and tech

729
00:30:41,269 --> 00:30:39,360
engineer pasquel who brings knowledge of

730
00:30:42,310 --> 00:30:41,279
all things audio plus a bunch of neck

731
00:30:44,149 --> 00:30:42,320
tattoos

732
00:30:46,389 --> 00:30:44,159
squaring the strange explores topics

733
00:30:49,350 --> 00:30:46,399
both mysterious and mundane through a

734
00:30:51,029 --> 00:30:49,360
critical lens monsters panics media

735
00:30:53,510 --> 00:30:51,039
literacy

736
00:30:55,990 --> 00:30:53,520
okay forget the whole trying times promo

737
00:30:57,269 --> 00:30:56,000
idea but we have chupacabras and clown

738
00:31:01,130 --> 00:30:57,279
panics right

739
00:31:01,140 --> 00:31:13,669
[Music]

740
00:31:17,110 --> 00:31:15,750
now it's time once again to look into

741
00:31:19,909 --> 00:31:17,120
those archives at trove

742
00:31:21,430 --> 00:31:19,919
trove.nla.gov.edu

743
00:31:22,950 --> 00:31:21,440
the online resource from the australian

744
00:31:25,509 --> 00:31:22,960
government and the national library of

745
00:31:28,070 --> 00:31:25,519
australia digitized newspapers gazettes

746
00:31:29,669 --> 00:31:28,080
periodicals magazines journals

747
00:31:31,029 --> 00:31:29,679
did i say newspapers twice i can't

748
00:31:33,430 --> 00:31:31,039
remember

749
00:31:36,230 --> 00:31:33,440
all at your fingertips and fully

750
00:31:41,269 --> 00:31:38,310
now it may interest you to know that

751
00:31:42,870 --> 00:31:41,279
ever since the trove segment started

752
00:31:44,549 --> 00:31:42,880
sometime last year

753
00:31:46,230 --> 00:31:44,559
these are the subjects that have been

754
00:31:48,070 --> 00:31:46,240
covered

755
00:31:51,029 --> 00:31:48,080
alien abductions

756
00:31:52,389 --> 00:31:51,039
astrology the australian skeptics the

757
00:31:54,470 --> 00:31:52,399
bent spoon

758
00:31:57,190 --> 00:31:54,480
as in the benspoon award

759
00:31:58,789 --> 00:31:57,200
biorhythms clairvoyance

760
00:32:01,350 --> 00:31:58,799
debunking

761
00:32:03,590 --> 00:32:01,360
esp flat earth

762
00:32:04,950 --> 00:32:03,600
full moon and crime

763
00:32:06,310 --> 00:32:04,960
yuri gela

764
00:32:07,590 --> 00:32:06,320
haunted house

765
00:32:10,070 --> 00:32:07,600
houdini

766
00:32:11,269 --> 00:32:10,080
into the unknown which was a ten part

767
00:32:13,830 --> 00:32:11,279
series of

768
00:32:15,269 --> 00:32:13,840
so-called tests way back in the late 40s

769
00:32:17,029 --> 00:32:15,279
early 50s

770
00:32:18,870 --> 00:32:17,039
james randy

771
00:32:21,590 --> 00:32:18,880
loch ness monster

772
00:32:22,789 --> 00:32:21,600
the new age and skeptics

773
00:32:24,149 --> 00:32:22,799
occult

774
00:32:25,990 --> 00:32:24,159
ouija boards

775
00:32:27,669 --> 00:32:26,000
poltergeists

776
00:32:29,669 --> 00:32:27,679
psychic animals

777
00:32:31,029 --> 00:32:29,679
psychic predictions and the bay area

778
00:32:33,190 --> 00:32:31,039
skeptics

779
00:32:34,950 --> 00:32:33,200
psychics and america

780
00:32:37,669 --> 00:32:34,960
psychics and fraud

781
00:32:39,350 --> 00:32:37,679
psychics and murder

782
00:32:41,110 --> 00:32:39,360
psychics and police

783
00:32:43,590 --> 00:32:41,120
psychics and testing

784
00:32:46,950 --> 00:32:43,600
quackery carl sagan

785
00:32:49,750 --> 00:32:46,960
scopes monkey trial superstitions

786
00:32:52,630 --> 00:32:49,760
telekinesis the national center for

787
00:32:54,149 --> 00:32:52,640
science education and eugenie scott

788
00:32:56,789 --> 00:32:54,159
ufos

789
00:32:58,870 --> 00:32:56,799
water divining witchcraft

790
00:33:00,710 --> 00:32:58,880
and yowies

791
00:33:02,789 --> 00:33:00,720
which brings us to

792
00:33:04,549 --> 00:33:02,799
this week's subject

793
00:33:06,950 --> 00:33:04,559
psychics

794
00:33:09,430 --> 00:33:06,960
and jack the ripper

795
00:33:12,149 --> 00:33:09,440
yes jack the ripper the most notorious

796
00:33:14,230 --> 00:33:12,159
serial killer in all of history although

797
00:33:17,669 --> 00:33:14,240
there have been many

798
00:33:20,070 --> 00:33:17,679
who have killed more

799
00:33:20,789 --> 00:33:20,080
it's jack the ripper that sort of caught

800
00:33:29,269 --> 00:33:20,799
the

801
00:33:30,310 --> 00:33:29,279
image of a serial killer even to this

802
00:33:32,789 --> 00:33:30,320
day

803
00:33:35,509 --> 00:33:32,799
now just quickly according to wikipedia

804
00:33:37,990 --> 00:33:35,519
jack the ripper was an unidentified

805
00:33:40,870 --> 00:33:38,000
serial killer active in the largely

806
00:33:46,070 --> 00:33:40,880
impoverished areas in and around the

807
00:33:48,710 --> 00:33:46,080
white chapel district of london in 1888

808
00:33:51,269 --> 00:33:48,720
in both the criminal case files and

809
00:33:53,509 --> 00:33:51,279
contemporary journalistic accounts the

810
00:33:57,029 --> 00:33:53,519
killer was called the white chapel

811
00:33:58,389 --> 00:33:57,039
murderer and leather apron

812
00:34:04,870 --> 00:33:58,399
now

813
00:34:06,630 --> 00:34:04,880
how many people jack the ripper actually

814
00:34:10,069 --> 00:34:06,640
killed

815
00:34:11,829 --> 00:34:10,079
five poor victims are listed

816
00:34:14,310 --> 00:34:11,839
but there could be more

817
00:34:16,230 --> 00:34:14,320
and it's not clear when he began his

818
00:34:17,829 --> 00:34:16,240
killing

819
00:34:19,589 --> 00:34:17,839
and it goes on to say

820
00:34:21,909 --> 00:34:19,599
attacks ascribed to jack the ripper

821
00:34:24,069 --> 00:34:21,919
typically involve female prostitutes who

822
00:34:26,310 --> 00:34:24,079
lived and worked in the slums of the

823
00:34:29,589 --> 00:34:26,320
east end of london their throats were

824
00:34:31,909 --> 00:34:29,599
cut prior to abdominal mutilations the

825
00:34:35,109 --> 00:34:31,919
removal of internal organs from at least

826
00:34:38,230 --> 00:34:35,119
three of the victims led to proposals

827
00:34:40,310 --> 00:34:38,240
that the killer had some anatomical or

828
00:34:43,430 --> 00:34:40,320
surgical knowledge

829
00:34:45,589 --> 00:34:43,440
goes on to say the name jack the ripper

830
00:34:47,909 --> 00:34:45,599
originated in a letter written by an

831
00:34:49,270 --> 00:34:47,919
individual claiming to be the murderer

832
00:34:52,069 --> 00:34:49,280
that was

833
00:34:55,109 --> 00:34:52,079
disseminated to the media the letter is

834
00:34:57,910 --> 00:34:55,119
widely believed to have been a hoax

835
00:34:59,430 --> 00:34:57,920
and may have been written by journalists

836
00:35:01,510 --> 00:34:59,440
in an attempt to

837
00:35:04,710 --> 00:35:01,520
heighten interest in the story and

838
00:35:07,349 --> 00:35:04,720
increase their newspaper circulation

839
00:35:09,910 --> 00:35:07,359
the from hell letter

840
00:35:12,950 --> 00:35:09,920
received by george lusk of the white

841
00:35:16,470 --> 00:35:12,960
chapel vigilance committee came with

842
00:35:18,150 --> 00:35:16,480
half of a preserved human kidney

843
00:35:20,790 --> 00:35:18,160
purportedly taken from one of the

844
00:35:22,870 --> 00:35:20,800
victims the public came increasingly to

845
00:35:25,550 --> 00:35:22,880
believe in a single serial killer known

846
00:35:27,910 --> 00:35:25,560
as jack the ripper mainly because of the

847
00:35:30,630 --> 00:35:27,920
extraordinarily brutal nature of the

848
00:35:32,310 --> 00:35:30,640
murders and the media coverage of the

849
00:35:34,390 --> 00:35:32,320
crimes

850
00:35:35,670 --> 00:35:34,400
and you can imagine the wiki page is

851
00:35:37,910 --> 00:35:35,680
extensive

852
00:35:39,670 --> 00:35:37,920
with information about jack the ripper

853
00:35:41,670 --> 00:35:39,680
as are the

854
00:35:43,510 --> 00:35:41,680
many many many many

855
00:35:47,510 --> 00:35:43,520
videos available on youtube about the

856
00:35:49,589 --> 00:35:47,520
subject documentaries over the decades

857
00:35:52,310 --> 00:35:49,599
and more than one

858
00:35:53,750 --> 00:35:52,320
of those documentaries involve so-called

859
00:35:56,829 --> 00:35:53,760
psychics with their

860
00:35:59,030 --> 00:35:56,839
psychic insights to identify jack the

861
00:36:01,750 --> 00:35:59,040
ripper and so

862
00:36:04,069 --> 00:36:01,760
lest we treat the subject too lightly

863
00:36:06,870 --> 00:36:04,079
the known victims or they believe

864
00:36:08,950 --> 00:36:06,880
victims of jack the ripper

865
00:36:10,470 --> 00:36:08,960
were marianne nichols

866
00:36:12,470 --> 00:36:10,480
annie chapman

867
00:36:14,230 --> 00:36:12,480
elizabeth stride

868
00:36:17,270 --> 00:36:14,240
catherine eddowes

869
00:36:19,349 --> 00:36:17,280
and mary jane kelly

870
00:36:22,870 --> 00:36:19,359
and none of those women of course

871
00:36:25,990 --> 00:36:22,880
deserve to die in such a brutal fashion

872
00:36:28,069 --> 00:36:26,000
and this leads us to the first of the

873
00:36:30,470 --> 00:36:28,079
returns when i searched for jack the

874
00:36:32,790 --> 00:36:30,480
rupa in the trove archives jack the

875
00:36:34,710 --> 00:36:32,800
ripper plus psychics or clairvoyance or

876
00:36:39,960 --> 00:36:34,720
the paranormal

877
00:36:43,430 --> 00:36:41,109
[Music]

878
00:36:44,950 --> 00:36:43,440
and we turn to the pages the cargoli

879
00:36:51,670 --> 00:36:44,960
miner

880
00:36:55,750 --> 00:36:53,670
so something in the order of 34 years

881
00:36:57,910 --> 00:36:55,760
after the crimes

882
00:36:59,510 --> 00:36:57,920
solving murder mysteries

883
00:37:01,990 --> 00:36:59,520
psychic methods

884
00:37:04,069 --> 00:37:02,000
from our special representative

885
00:37:06,790 --> 00:37:04,079
london july 6th

886
00:37:09,190 --> 00:37:06,800
dr abraham wallace a well-known london

887
00:37:11,430 --> 00:37:09,200
specialist and psychologist

888
00:37:13,750 --> 00:37:11,440
asserts that murderers can be discovered

889
00:37:15,510 --> 00:37:13,760
by psychic methods

890
00:37:17,190 --> 00:37:15,520
speaking in a lecture this week at the

891
00:37:20,150 --> 00:37:17,200
international congress of the

892
00:37:22,470 --> 00:37:20,160
spiritualists national union

893
00:37:25,270 --> 00:37:22,480
dr wallace said that as a result of his

894
00:37:28,310 --> 00:37:25,280
experiments and observations

895
00:37:31,190 --> 00:37:28,320
he was now disposed to believe that in a

896
00:37:33,670 --> 00:37:31,200
properly constituted circle

897
00:37:36,470 --> 00:37:33,680
with one or two fully developed

898
00:37:40,870 --> 00:37:36,480
sensitives all meeting with one accord

899
00:37:44,390 --> 00:37:40,880
to discover truth and to repress evil

900
00:37:47,430 --> 00:37:44,400
every murderer might be discovered and

901
00:37:50,790 --> 00:37:47,440
but for the probable sequel of capital

902
00:37:53,829 --> 00:37:50,800
punishment the information obtained

903
00:37:57,030 --> 00:37:53,839
could and ought to be utilized

904
00:38:00,069 --> 00:37:57,040
the jack the ripper murders were another

905
00:38:02,710 --> 00:38:00,079
instance in which dr wallace claimed

906
00:38:06,069 --> 00:38:02,720
that psychic methods were successfully

907
00:38:08,870 --> 00:38:06,079
employed the culprit was found to be

908
00:38:10,390 --> 00:38:08,880
one of the rare cases of double

909
00:38:14,069 --> 00:38:10,400
personality

910
00:38:14,950 --> 00:38:14,079
and belong to the medical profession

911
00:39:00,710 --> 00:38:14,960
a

912
00:39:03,430 --> 00:39:00,720
murderer he requested them therefore to

913
00:39:05,349 --> 00:39:03,440
keep him under observation till the next

914
00:39:08,150 --> 00:39:05,359
murder took place

915
00:39:10,870 --> 00:39:08,160
this they did thereafter they listened

916
00:39:12,310 --> 00:39:10,880
to his statement without questions and

917
00:39:14,390 --> 00:39:12,320
acted accordingly

918
00:39:16,150 --> 00:39:14,400
the criminal was taken the series of

919
00:39:18,550 --> 00:39:16,160
murders terminated

920
00:39:20,310 --> 00:39:18,560
a great public excitement ceased and

921
00:39:23,510 --> 00:39:20,320
nothing more was heard of the case

922
00:39:26,790 --> 00:39:23,520
incidentally dr wallace opposes capital

923
00:39:29,430 --> 00:39:26,800
punishment there is no proof he says

924
00:39:31,990 --> 00:39:29,440
that it tends to diminish crime rather

925
00:39:35,190 --> 00:39:32,000
it tends to produce crimes of a singular

926
00:39:36,470 --> 00:39:35,200
character occurring in epidemics now if

927
00:39:38,710 --> 00:39:36,480
you recall

928
00:39:40,230 --> 00:39:38,720
dear listener a couple of weeks ago

929
00:39:43,829 --> 00:39:40,240
on the show when i was talking about

930
00:39:46,150 --> 00:39:43,839
psychics and murder i think it was

931
00:39:47,670 --> 00:39:46,160
the account of the man on the bus was

932
00:39:49,870 --> 00:39:47,680
also mentioned

933
00:39:52,710 --> 00:39:49,880
now let's go to the year

934
00:39:55,430 --> 00:39:52,720
1936 some years later

935
00:39:57,109 --> 00:39:55,440
the daily standard from brisbane

936
00:40:01,829 --> 00:39:57,119
in queensland

937
00:40:03,829 --> 00:40:01,839
on the 21st of january jack the ripper

938
00:40:05,510 --> 00:40:03,839
clairvoyant's clue

939
00:40:07,510 --> 00:40:05,520
to his identity

940
00:40:10,150 --> 00:40:07,520
crime in the supernatural

941
00:40:11,510 --> 00:40:10,160
jack the ripper who terrorized london in

942
00:40:14,550 --> 00:40:11,520
the late 80s

943
00:40:17,190 --> 00:40:14,560
was a distinguished surgeon

944
00:40:19,910 --> 00:40:17,200
a venerable dr jekyll and mr hyde

945
00:40:21,670 --> 00:40:19,920
according to edwin t woodhall formerly

946
00:40:22,950 --> 00:40:21,680
of scotland yard

947
00:40:25,190 --> 00:40:22,960
in a new book

948
00:40:27,349 --> 00:40:25,200
crime and the supernatural

949
00:40:29,910 --> 00:40:27,359
now as i read this just keep in mind

950
00:40:32,069 --> 00:40:29,920
that some of these older newspaper

951
00:40:33,750 --> 00:40:32,079
reproductions are a little bit faded

952
00:40:35,270 --> 00:40:33,760
here and there

953
00:40:38,309 --> 00:40:35,280
mr woodhall

954
00:40:41,109 --> 00:40:38,319
is not a spiritualist but he quotes many

955
00:40:44,150 --> 00:40:41,119
cases in which mediums have

956
00:40:46,150 --> 00:40:44,160
pointed the finger to a murderer and one

957
00:40:48,150 --> 00:40:46,160
of these cases is

958
00:40:50,790 --> 00:40:48,160
the ripper crimes

959
00:40:53,109 --> 00:40:50,800
writing of jack the ripper he says in a

960
00:40:55,589 --> 00:40:53,119
black japan box in the archives of the

961
00:40:57,990 --> 00:40:55,599
british home office are the confidential

962
00:41:00,069 --> 00:40:58,000
papers concerning the identity of the

963
00:41:02,150 --> 00:41:00,079
most mysterious and spectacular murder

964
00:41:03,990 --> 00:41:02,160
of the past hundred years he was never

965
00:41:05,829 --> 00:41:04,000
brought to justice and it is commonly

966
00:41:06,790 --> 00:41:05,839
believed that the police were

967
00:41:11,430 --> 00:41:06,800
as

968
00:41:14,390 --> 00:41:11,440
this prowling

969
00:41:17,990 --> 00:41:14,400
maniacal butcher really was

970
00:41:20,790 --> 00:41:18,000
but even in those early days there were

971
00:41:23,349 --> 00:41:20,800
officers at scotland yard possessed of

972
00:41:26,550 --> 00:41:23,359
vision and imagination and when

973
00:41:28,870 --> 00:41:26,560
completely baffled and in despair

974
00:41:31,510 --> 00:41:28,880
for press in public were invading

975
00:41:34,870 --> 00:41:31,520
hysterically against the failure to lay

976
00:41:37,270 --> 00:41:34,880
the murderer by the heels a well-known

977
00:41:38,790 --> 00:41:37,280
clairvoyant put certain information at

978
00:41:42,230 --> 00:41:38,800
their disposal

979
00:41:45,270 --> 00:41:42,240
it was investigated corroborated and

980
00:41:48,390 --> 00:41:45,280
seized upon his affording scotland yard

981
00:41:50,630 --> 00:41:48,400
a new avenue in their inquiries

982
00:41:53,750 --> 00:41:50,640
seen in a trance

983
00:41:55,829 --> 00:41:53,760
mr woodhall claims that the ripper was

984
00:41:58,470 --> 00:41:55,839
tracked down by a clairvoyant named

985
00:42:00,790 --> 00:41:58,480
robert james lees

986
00:42:03,510 --> 00:42:00,800
and that authorities were in possession

987
00:42:05,750 --> 00:42:03,520
of all the facts nearly 50 years ago

988
00:42:08,069 --> 00:42:05,760
unknown to the general public a court of

989
00:42:10,630 --> 00:42:08,079
about a dozen well-known medical men of

990
00:42:12,790 --> 00:42:10,640
the highest integrity and standing held

991
00:42:15,510 --> 00:42:12,800
an inquiry concerning the alleged

992
00:42:17,829 --> 00:42:15,520
insanity of jack dripper it was

993
00:42:20,470 --> 00:42:17,839
definitely proved that he was a

994
00:42:22,630 --> 00:42:20,480
physician of high standing who lived in

995
00:42:24,790 --> 00:42:22,640
a select part of the west end

996
00:42:28,390 --> 00:42:24,800
when the multiple murderer's actual

997
00:42:31,829 --> 00:42:28,400
identity was proved and his homicidal

998
00:42:33,829 --> 00:42:31,839
mania definitely established all parties

999
00:42:36,550 --> 00:42:33,839
were sworn to secrecy

1000
00:42:39,670 --> 00:42:36,560
the clairvoyant we are told

1001
00:42:42,710 --> 00:42:39,680
in a sort of trance or vision

1002
00:42:45,349 --> 00:42:42,720
saw the first ripper crime enacted

1003
00:42:48,550 --> 00:42:45,359
when an unfortunate woman was done to

1004
00:42:51,270 --> 00:42:48,560
death in spittlefields mr lees was so

1005
00:42:53,990 --> 00:42:51,280
horrified at the terrible dream or

1006
00:42:57,109 --> 00:42:54,000
trance that he had seen with his occult

1007
00:42:59,990 --> 00:42:57,119
eyes that there and then he went and

1008
00:43:01,990 --> 00:43:00,000
told the whole thing to scotland yard

1009
00:43:03,670 --> 00:43:02,000
his story was accepted with

1010
00:43:05,670 --> 00:43:03,680
incredulity

1011
00:43:09,030 --> 00:43:05,680
but the officer on duty made a note of

1012
00:43:12,230 --> 00:43:09,040
the time and the place and there the

1013
00:43:14,870 --> 00:43:12,240
matter was allowed to end when the

1014
00:43:17,510 --> 00:43:14,880
clairvoyant was abroad on a holiday the

1015
00:43:18,390 --> 00:43:17,520
ripper added two more victims to his

1016
00:43:22,950 --> 00:43:18,400
list

1017
00:43:25,750 --> 00:43:22,960
on august 31st and september the 8th

1018
00:43:28,550 --> 00:43:25,760
shortly after his return to london says

1019
00:43:30,710 --> 00:43:28,560
mr woodhall the clairvoyant was riding

1020
00:43:33,270 --> 00:43:30,720
in an omnibus

1021
00:43:36,550 --> 00:43:33,280
hmm here's the omnibus again

1022
00:43:39,349 --> 00:43:36,560
with his wife when at the top of notting

1023
00:43:41,750 --> 00:43:39,359
hill a man entered the vehicle and

1024
00:43:43,829 --> 00:43:41,760
almost as he did so the clairvoyant felt

1025
00:43:46,390 --> 00:43:43,839
the singular numb

1026
00:43:48,550 --> 00:43:46,400
powerless sensation which had overtaken

1027
00:43:50,390 --> 00:43:48,560
him previously

1028
00:43:53,270 --> 00:43:50,400
as he looked across at the far corner

1029
00:43:55,670 --> 00:43:53,280
where the man had dropped into a seat

1030
00:43:59,430 --> 00:43:55,680
he felt icy cold

1031
00:44:03,430 --> 00:43:59,440
as his gaze met for one brief second the

1032
00:44:05,829 --> 00:44:03,440
eyes of the fresh passenger

1033
00:44:08,230 --> 00:44:05,839
leaning over to his wife he said

1034
00:44:09,670 --> 00:44:08,240
that man in the opposite corner is jack

1035
00:44:11,670 --> 00:44:09,680
the ripper

1036
00:44:13,990 --> 00:44:11,680
the clairvoyant followed the stranger

1037
00:44:17,030 --> 00:44:14,000
when he had lighted at marble arch he

1038
00:44:19,990 --> 00:44:17,040
appealed to a constable to arrest him

1039
00:44:22,790 --> 00:44:20,000
but not unnaturally was merely laughed

1040
00:44:24,069 --> 00:44:22,800
at meanwhile the man hailed a cabin

1041
00:44:26,069 --> 00:44:24,079
disappeared

1042
00:44:28,790 --> 00:44:26,079
shortly afterwards another crime took

1043
00:44:32,790 --> 00:44:28,800
place the clairvoyant we are informed

1044
00:44:36,069 --> 00:44:32,800
was taken to the scene by the inspector

1045
00:44:38,870 --> 00:44:36,079
in charge and a number of policemen

1046
00:44:41,910 --> 00:44:38,880
presently he rose and his eyes stared

1047
00:44:44,710 --> 00:44:41,920
into vacancy moved off rapidly in a

1048
00:44:46,230 --> 00:44:44,720
westerly direction he had picked up the

1049
00:44:48,790 --> 00:44:46,240
psychic trail

1050
00:44:51,430 --> 00:44:48,800
followed by the officials he walked mile

1051
00:44:53,430 --> 00:44:51,440
after mile never once hesitating until

1052
00:44:54,390 --> 00:44:53,440
he reached a street in the west end of

1053
00:44:56,630 --> 00:44:54,400
london

1054
00:44:59,670 --> 00:44:56,640
here outside a big imposing looking

1055
00:45:01,990 --> 00:44:59,680
house he stopped reeled and would have

1056
00:45:03,270 --> 00:45:02,000
fallen but for the support of the

1057
00:45:04,630 --> 00:45:03,280
inspector

1058
00:45:06,069 --> 00:45:04,640
in there

1059
00:45:09,190 --> 00:45:06,079
and i'm sorry the next word is

1060
00:45:12,309 --> 00:45:09,200
completely obliterated so it would be he

1061
00:45:14,230 --> 00:45:12,319
cried he yelled he said

1062
00:45:16,870 --> 00:45:14,240
the murderer

1063
00:45:20,390 --> 00:45:16,880
human bloodhound

1064
00:45:22,069 --> 00:45:20,400
it is said that the police believed this

1065
00:45:26,069 --> 00:45:22,079
human bloodhound

1066
00:45:29,510 --> 00:45:26,079
and taking a chance entered the house

1067
00:45:31,589 --> 00:45:29,520
there says mr woodhall his wife told

1068
00:45:33,910 --> 00:45:31,599
them the truth

1069
00:45:35,829 --> 00:45:33,920
and just a warning there's

1070
00:45:38,950 --> 00:45:35,839
parts of this which are illegible but

1071
00:45:40,790 --> 00:45:38,960
we'll try to connect the dots

1072
00:45:43,030 --> 00:45:40,800
this man one of london's most

1073
00:45:44,550 --> 00:45:43,040
distinguished doctors had a dual

1074
00:45:46,710 --> 00:45:44,560
personality

1075
00:45:48,950 --> 00:45:46,720
normally he was just what i have

1076
00:45:51,670 --> 00:45:48,960
purported him to be

1077
00:45:54,069 --> 00:45:51,680
a physician his life and talents

1078
00:45:55,190 --> 00:45:54,079
dedicated to the alleviation of

1079
00:45:58,710 --> 00:45:55,200
suffering

1080
00:46:00,390 --> 00:45:58,720
abnormally and of these occasions he had

1081
00:46:02,230 --> 00:46:00,400
no recollection

1082
00:46:04,069 --> 00:46:02,240
he was the

1083
00:46:07,589 --> 00:46:04,079
and the next line is practically

1084
00:46:10,230 --> 00:46:07,599
illegible i'm sorry he was the

1085
00:46:12,309 --> 00:46:10,240
something and the words had just sort of

1086
00:46:15,190 --> 00:46:12,319
melted away over the years

1087
00:46:18,309 --> 00:46:15,200
but we'll pick it up who had

1088
00:46:21,349 --> 00:46:18,319
white chapel and sent a thrill of horror

1089
00:46:23,190 --> 00:46:21,359
throughout europe the doctor after being

1090
00:46:24,790 --> 00:46:23,200
certified insane

1091
00:46:26,710 --> 00:46:24,800
was placed in a

1092
00:46:28,870 --> 00:46:26,720
private asylum

1093
00:46:30,950 --> 00:46:28,880
to account for his disappearance from

1094
00:46:33,270 --> 00:46:30,960
society it was announced that he had

1095
00:46:36,069 --> 00:46:33,280
died suddenly from heart failure and

1096
00:46:37,589 --> 00:46:36,079
funeral rights were actually conducted

1097
00:46:41,109 --> 00:46:37,599
the clairvoyant

1098
00:46:44,390 --> 00:46:41,119
quote for his wonderful public work

1099
00:46:47,030 --> 00:46:44,400
quote received quote until the day of

1100
00:46:48,069 --> 00:46:47,040
his death a pension from the privy purse

1101
00:46:51,430 --> 00:46:48,079
unquote

1102
00:46:55,190 --> 00:46:51,440
mr woodhall remarks that he has no

1103
00:46:57,829 --> 00:46:55,200
actual proof of the truth of this story

1104
00:47:00,950 --> 00:46:57,839
but during my years at the yard it was

1105
00:47:02,790 --> 00:47:00,960
more than once recounted to me as i have

1106
00:47:05,750 --> 00:47:02,800
related

1107
00:47:08,470 --> 00:47:05,760
and finally we go right back in time to

1108
00:47:11,589 --> 00:47:08,480
1895

1109
00:47:13,510 --> 00:47:11,599
so not even 10 years after the murders

1110
00:47:15,750 --> 00:47:13,520
from the warwick examiner and times in

1111
00:47:17,910 --> 00:47:15,760
queensland published on saturday the

1112
00:47:20,470 --> 00:47:17,920
14th of september

1113
00:47:23,109 --> 00:47:20,480
jack the ripper discovered

1114
00:47:25,589 --> 00:47:23,119
a clairvoyance theory

1115
00:47:28,470 --> 00:47:25,599
recent disclosures in the remarkable

1116
00:47:31,270 --> 00:47:28,480
case of the notorious jack the ripper

1117
00:47:34,309 --> 00:47:31,280
have challenged at least the attention

1118
00:47:37,430 --> 00:47:34,319
of police officials to the fact of the

1119
00:47:40,150 --> 00:47:37,440
assistance which clairvoyance when

1120
00:47:43,270 --> 00:47:40,160
executed under favorable conditions

1121
00:47:47,589 --> 00:47:43,280
may render in the detection of criminals

1122
00:47:50,309 --> 00:47:47,599
to robert lees an englishman a man who

1123
00:47:54,150 --> 00:47:50,319
from boyhood has possessed extraordinary

1124
00:47:56,630 --> 00:47:54,160
clairvoyant powers is due the credit of

1125
00:47:58,390 --> 00:47:56,640
having solved the problem which has

1126
00:47:59,270 --> 00:47:58,400
puzzled the entire police force of

1127
00:48:01,589 --> 00:47:59,280
london

1128
00:48:05,109 --> 00:48:01,599
notwithstanding the fact that there has

1129
00:48:07,349 --> 00:48:05,119
been a standing offer of a reward of

1130
00:48:09,829 --> 00:48:07,359
thirty thousand pounds

1131
00:48:12,309 --> 00:48:09,839
together with a life pension of fifteen

1132
00:48:15,349 --> 00:48:12,319
hundred pounds per annum

1133
00:48:17,990 --> 00:48:15,359
for the man who should first deliver to

1134
00:48:20,790 --> 00:48:18,000
justice the terrible ripper these

1135
00:48:23,990 --> 00:48:20,800
combined efforts proved fruitless until

1136
00:48:25,750 --> 00:48:24,000
mr lees appeared on the scene

1137
00:48:29,030 --> 00:48:25,760
the perpetrator of these startling

1138
00:48:32,710 --> 00:48:29,040
crimes proves to have been not

1139
00:48:35,510 --> 00:48:32,720
as was first supposed a man in the lower

1140
00:48:37,910 --> 00:48:35,520
walks of life but a london physician of

1141
00:48:40,309 --> 00:48:37,920
high standing who practiced amongst the

1142
00:48:41,270 --> 00:48:40,319
best of society in the west end of

1143
00:48:42,870 --> 00:48:41,280
london

1144
00:48:45,270 --> 00:48:42,880
the name of the man

1145
00:48:47,829 --> 00:48:45,280
whose mental aberrations have resulted

1146
00:48:50,630 --> 00:48:47,839
in these disgusting crimes has not been

1147
00:48:54,150 --> 00:48:50,640
disclosed in fact he is

1148
00:48:57,030 --> 00:48:54,160
at the present writing a violent lunatic

1149
00:48:59,589 --> 00:48:57,040
an inmate of a private asylum in

1150
00:49:02,630 --> 00:48:59,599
islington who was considered the most

1151
00:49:06,230 --> 00:49:02,640
intractable and dangerous madman

1152
00:49:08,230 --> 00:49:06,240
confined in that establishment

1153
00:49:10,150 --> 00:49:08,240
we further learn that the most

1154
00:49:11,030 --> 00:49:10,160
extraordinary precautions have been

1155
00:49:13,190 --> 00:49:11,040
taken

1156
00:49:15,510 --> 00:49:13,200
in this strange case to save the

1157
00:49:17,430 --> 00:49:15,520
reputation of his family

1158
00:49:20,710 --> 00:49:17,440
that in order to count for the

1159
00:49:22,870 --> 00:49:20,720
disappearance of the doctor from society

1160
00:49:26,390 --> 00:49:22,880
a sham death and burial were gone

1161
00:49:30,150 --> 00:49:26,400
through with and an empty coffin which

1162
00:49:31,829 --> 00:49:30,160
now reposes in the family vaults at

1163
00:49:33,589 --> 00:49:31,839
kensil green

1164
00:49:36,549 --> 00:49:33,599
is supposed to contain the mortal

1165
00:49:40,390 --> 00:49:36,559
remains of the great west end physician

1166
00:49:42,230 --> 00:49:40,400
whose untimely death all london mourned

1167
00:49:45,430 --> 00:49:42,240
none of the keepers know that the

1168
00:49:48,549 --> 00:49:45,440
desperate maniac who flings himself from

1169
00:49:51,030 --> 00:49:48,559
side to side in his padded cell

1170
00:49:55,030 --> 00:49:51,040
and makes the long watches of night

1171
00:49:57,430 --> 00:49:55,040
hideous with his piercing cries

1172
00:49:58,390 --> 00:49:57,440
is the famous jack the ripper

1173
00:50:01,829 --> 00:49:58,400
to them

1174
00:50:03,510 --> 00:50:01,839
and to the visiting inspectors he is

1175
00:50:04,549 --> 00:50:03,520
simply known as

1176
00:50:05,589 --> 00:50:04,559
thomas

1177
00:50:07,190 --> 00:50:05,599
mason

1178
00:50:09,910 --> 00:50:07,200
alias

1179
00:50:11,589 --> 00:50:09,920
number one two four with these

1180
00:50:14,309 --> 00:50:11,599
preliminary statements

1181
00:50:16,630 --> 00:50:14,319
let us consider more especially the part

1182
00:50:19,430 --> 00:50:16,640
played by robert lees in the

1183
00:50:21,190 --> 00:50:19,440
identification of the predator of those

1184
00:50:24,309 --> 00:50:21,200
horrifying murders

1185
00:50:27,910 --> 00:50:24,319
at the time of the first three murders

1186
00:50:30,150 --> 00:50:27,920
by the ripper mr lees was at the height

1187
00:50:31,190 --> 00:50:30,160
of his clairvoyant powers

1188
00:50:33,910 --> 00:50:31,200
one day

1189
00:50:36,870 --> 00:50:33,920
he was sitting in his study in london

1190
00:50:39,589 --> 00:50:36,880
when he became convinced that the ripper

1191
00:50:42,309 --> 00:50:39,599
was about to commit another murder

1192
00:50:45,750 --> 00:50:42,319
the whole scene rose before him

1193
00:50:48,309 --> 00:50:45,760
and he became aware of every detail of

1194
00:50:51,030 --> 00:50:48,319
the contemplated crime so impressed was

1195
00:50:52,230 --> 00:50:51,040
he by what he had thus miraculously

1196
00:50:54,790 --> 00:50:52,240
witnessed

1197
00:50:56,630 --> 00:50:54,800
that he at once went to scotland yard

1198
00:50:58,150 --> 00:50:56,640
and delivered the whole matter to the

1199
00:51:00,390 --> 00:50:58,160
detectives

1200
00:51:02,309 --> 00:51:00,400
on the following night a woman was

1201
00:51:05,190 --> 00:51:02,319
murdered in the white chapel district

1202
00:51:08,069 --> 00:51:05,200
under circumstances identically the same

1203
00:51:10,309 --> 00:51:08,079
as those previously stated by mr lees

1204
00:51:13,910 --> 00:51:10,319
the occurrence taking place at the same

1205
00:51:17,270 --> 00:51:13,920
hour and in the same locality

1206
00:51:20,150 --> 00:51:17,280
as seen clairvoyantly by him

1207
00:51:23,109 --> 00:51:20,160
so shocked was mr lee's by this

1208
00:51:25,670 --> 00:51:23,119
verification of his prophecy that his

1209
00:51:29,030 --> 00:51:25,680
health became seriously affected

1210
00:51:32,549 --> 00:51:29,040
and by the advice of his physician he

1211
00:51:33,670 --> 00:51:32,559
for a time removed his family to the

1212
00:51:36,950 --> 00:51:33,680
continent

1213
00:51:40,069 --> 00:51:36,960
upon his return to london he was riding

1214
00:51:42,950 --> 00:51:40,079
one day in the company of his wife in an

1215
00:51:46,309 --> 00:51:42,960
omnibus from shepherd's bush when he

1216
00:51:48,150 --> 00:51:46,319
became clairvoyantly impressed with the

1217
00:51:51,589 --> 00:51:48,160
idea that a man who had entered the

1218
00:51:52,390 --> 00:51:51,599
vehicle at notting hill wearing a soft

1219
00:51:55,589 --> 00:51:52,400
hat

1220
00:51:58,069 --> 00:51:55,599
and light overcoat was no less a person

1221
00:52:00,470 --> 00:51:58,079
than jack the ripper he leaned over and

1222
00:52:02,710 --> 00:52:00,480
whispered this belief to his wife who

1223
00:52:05,750 --> 00:52:02,720
laughed at him and told him not to be

1224
00:52:08,150 --> 00:52:05,760
foolish i am not mistaken replied mr

1225
00:52:10,549 --> 00:52:08,160
lees i felt it

1226
00:52:13,190 --> 00:52:10,559
shortly after the man got out and mr

1227
00:52:16,150 --> 00:52:13,200
lees telling his wife to remain followed

1228
00:52:19,109 --> 00:52:16,160
him he soon met a constable to whom he

1229
00:52:22,150 --> 00:52:19,119
pointed out the man saying that he was

1230
00:52:23,430 --> 00:52:22,160
the dreaded ripper and asked that he be

1231
00:52:26,549 --> 00:52:23,440
arrested

1232
00:52:27,829 --> 00:52:26,559
the constable laughed at mr lee's and

1233
00:52:29,349 --> 00:52:27,839
threatened to

1234
00:52:31,990 --> 00:52:29,359
run him in

1235
00:52:35,349 --> 00:52:32,000
presently the man called a cab and if

1236
00:52:38,150 --> 00:52:35,359
struck by some presentments of danger

1237
00:52:40,069 --> 00:52:38,160
jumped into it and rapidly disappeared

1238
00:52:41,990 --> 00:52:40,079
we have not the space for all the

1239
00:52:43,670 --> 00:52:42,000
interesting details

1240
00:52:46,470 --> 00:52:43,680
of the manner

1241
00:52:48,870 --> 00:52:46,480
which emits many difficulties mr lee

1242
00:52:51,190 --> 00:52:48,880
finally obtained the confidence of the

1243
00:52:52,309 --> 00:52:51,200
head inspector of police at scotland

1244
00:52:54,150 --> 00:52:52,319
yard

1245
00:52:57,630 --> 00:52:54,160
suffice it to say

1246
00:53:01,030 --> 00:52:57,640
that he did so win his faith in such

1247
00:53:03,430 --> 00:53:01,040
exceedingly irregular and unofficial

1248
00:53:05,030 --> 00:53:03,440
detective methods as those of

1249
00:53:08,309 --> 00:53:05,040
clairvoyance

1250
00:53:11,349 --> 00:53:08,319
mr lees consented to try and track the

1251
00:53:14,390 --> 00:53:11,359
ripper much in the same way as the

1252
00:53:17,430 --> 00:53:14,400
bloodhound pursues a criminal

1253
00:53:19,750 --> 00:53:17,440
there seemed to be some magnetic wave

1254
00:53:22,390 --> 00:53:19,760
connecting an impalpable sense he

1255
00:53:25,030 --> 00:53:22,400
possessed with the fugitive

1256
00:53:27,349 --> 00:53:25,040
all that night mr lee submitted himself

1257
00:53:30,390 --> 00:53:27,359
to this strange influence

1258
00:53:31,349 --> 00:53:30,400
and traversed swiftly the streets of

1259
00:53:34,630 --> 00:53:31,359
london

1260
00:53:36,710 --> 00:53:34,640
the inspector and his aides followed a

1261
00:53:38,710 --> 00:53:36,720
few feet behind him

1262
00:53:41,910 --> 00:53:38,720
at last at four o'clock in the morning

1263
00:53:45,030 --> 00:53:41,920
with the pale face and bloodshot eyes

1264
00:53:47,990 --> 00:53:45,040
the human bloodhound halted at the gates

1265
00:53:50,150 --> 00:53:48,000
of a west end mansion gasping with

1266
00:53:52,950 --> 00:53:50,160
creaked and swollen lips

1267
00:53:55,030 --> 00:53:52,960
he pointed to an upper chamber where a

1268
00:53:57,109 --> 00:53:55,040
faint light yet gleamed

1269
00:53:58,390 --> 00:53:57,119
there is the murderer the man you are

1270
00:54:00,390 --> 00:53:58,400
looking for

1271
00:54:02,790 --> 00:54:00,400
it is possible

1272
00:54:04,950 --> 00:54:02,800
said the inspector that this is the

1273
00:54:07,349 --> 00:54:04,960
residence of one of the most celebrated

1274
00:54:09,589 --> 00:54:07,359
physicians in the west end

1275
00:54:12,870 --> 00:54:09,599
a colloquy ensued

1276
00:54:14,870 --> 00:54:12,880
mr lee's as a preliminary test required

1277
00:54:18,230 --> 00:54:14,880
by the inspector before entering the

1278
00:54:19,270 --> 00:54:18,240
house described in detail the interior

1279
00:54:22,230 --> 00:54:19,280
of the hall

1280
00:54:23,430 --> 00:54:22,240
even to the dog asleep at the foot of

1281
00:54:25,510 --> 00:54:23,440
the stairs

1282
00:54:27,910 --> 00:54:25,520
the police entered the mansion and

1283
00:54:30,710 --> 00:54:27,920
learned as a matter of fact that he had

1284
00:54:32,390 --> 00:54:30,720
just returned from one of his most

1285
00:54:34,069 --> 00:54:32,400
terrible murders

1286
00:54:36,309 --> 00:54:34,079
and during the course of the half an

1287
00:54:39,670 --> 00:54:36,319
hour's most searching examination of the

1288
00:54:42,309 --> 00:54:39,680
doctor's wife who was a beautiful woman

1289
00:54:45,589 --> 00:54:42,319
she confessed she did not believe her

1290
00:54:48,150 --> 00:54:45,599
husband was of sound mind and there had

1291
00:54:49,349 --> 00:54:48,160
been moments where he had threatened to

1292
00:54:51,030 --> 00:54:49,359
kill her

1293
00:54:54,309 --> 00:54:51,040
and her children

1294
00:54:56,710 --> 00:54:54,319
she had noted with heartbreaking dread

1295
00:54:59,829 --> 00:54:56,720
that whenever a white chapel murder

1296
00:55:01,109 --> 00:54:59,839
occurred her husband was absent from

1297
00:55:03,349 --> 00:55:01,119
home

1298
00:55:05,910 --> 00:55:03,359
later developments and admissions from

1299
00:55:06,950 --> 00:55:05,920
the physician himself resulted in his

1300
00:55:10,670 --> 00:55:06,960
arrest

1301
00:55:13,270 --> 00:55:10,680
and as heretofore stated his final

1302
00:55:14,470 --> 00:55:13,280
incarceration in the private lunatic

1303
00:55:16,570 --> 00:55:14,480
asylum

1304
00:55:20,549 --> 00:55:16,580
above mentioned

1305
00:55:25,510 --> 00:55:23,109
but wait a moment wait a moment

1306
00:55:27,510 --> 00:55:25,520
upon further investigation i have

1307
00:55:29,829 --> 00:55:27,520
discovered something else about this

1308
00:55:32,870 --> 00:55:29,839
strange case of the

1309
00:55:35,589 --> 00:55:32,880
psychic and the surgeon or the doctor at

1310
00:55:37,349 --> 00:55:35,599
a website called casebook.org

1311
00:55:40,549 --> 00:55:37,359
which has a lot of information about

1312
00:55:44,309 --> 00:55:40,559
jack the ripper the jack the ripper case

1313
00:55:47,829 --> 00:55:44,319
we find a list of suspects listed

1314
00:55:50,069 --> 00:55:47,839
is thomas mason

1315
00:55:55,190 --> 00:55:50,079
and the report here says

1316
00:55:57,750 --> 00:55:55,200
thomas mason on the 28th of april 1895

1317
00:56:00,470 --> 00:55:57,760
the chicago sunday times published a

1318
00:56:03,430 --> 00:56:00,480
story in which it was claimed the medium

1319
00:56:06,870 --> 00:56:03,440
robert lees had received a psychic

1320
00:56:10,470 --> 00:56:06,880
impression of the white chapel murderer

1321
00:56:12,069 --> 00:56:10,480
17 murders later the police asked for

1322
00:56:14,870 --> 00:56:12,079
his assistance

1323
00:56:16,549 --> 00:56:14,880
throughout the night lees followed a

1324
00:56:18,950 --> 00:56:16,559
psychic trail

1325
00:56:19,990 --> 00:56:18,960
which ended at the house of an imminent

1326
00:56:22,630 --> 00:56:20,000
physician

1327
00:56:25,190 --> 00:56:22,640
the story goes on to say that the police

1328
00:56:28,549 --> 00:56:25,200
questioned the doctor his wife

1329
00:56:29,829 --> 00:56:28,559
eliciting the admission that the doctor

1330
00:56:32,789 --> 00:56:29,839
suffered from

1331
00:56:36,069 --> 00:56:32,799
occasional losses of memory and had on

1332
00:56:36,950 --> 00:56:36,079
one occasion regained it to find his

1333
00:56:38,390 --> 00:56:36,960
shirt

1334
00:56:41,430 --> 00:56:38,400
blood-stained

1335
00:56:43,510 --> 00:56:41,440
proof of his guilt as jack the ripper

1336
00:56:46,230 --> 00:56:43,520
was found in the house and he was

1337
00:56:48,789 --> 00:56:46,240
committed to an asylum in islington

1338
00:56:51,030 --> 00:56:48,799
under the name thomas mason

1339
00:56:53,589 --> 00:56:51,040
one two four

1340
00:56:55,670 --> 00:56:53,599
author stephen knight identifies thomas

1341
00:56:57,589 --> 00:56:55,680
mason with gull

1342
00:56:58,549 --> 00:56:57,599
and i'm not sure who gull is at the

1343
00:57:03,430 --> 00:56:58,559
moment

1344
00:57:07,109 --> 00:57:03,440
though misdates mason's death as 1896.

1345
00:57:09,829 --> 00:57:07,119
the real thomas mason was a 71 year-old

1346
00:57:12,630 --> 00:57:09,839
retired book binder from islington who

1347
00:57:14,390 --> 00:57:12,640
was born in 1817 and who had no

1348
00:57:17,270 --> 00:57:14,400
connection with gull or jacked the

1349
00:57:18,470 --> 00:57:17,280
ripper and was never incarcerated in an

1350
00:57:21,670 --> 00:57:18,480
asylum

1351
00:57:23,190 --> 00:57:21,680
he died in 1902 from bronchitis

1352
00:57:25,190 --> 00:57:23,200
it's interesting that there are quite a

1353
00:57:27,430 --> 00:57:25,200
few references to robert lee's in

1354
00:57:28,230 --> 00:57:27,440
connection with jack the ripper

1355
00:57:31,190 --> 00:57:28,240
and

1356
00:57:33,910 --> 00:57:31,200
it may be that they all stem from the

1357
00:57:36,230 --> 00:57:33,920
same source material and just reported

1358
00:57:37,270 --> 00:57:36,240
and re-reported and retold over some

1359
00:57:40,150 --> 00:57:37,280
years

1360
00:57:43,109 --> 00:57:40,160
but the list of suspects in regard to

1361
00:57:46,870 --> 00:57:43,119
jack the ripper is extensive

1362
00:57:48,870 --> 00:57:46,880
and it is as i've said before like a

1363
00:57:50,549 --> 00:57:48,880
weird sort of rabbit hole once you go

1364
00:57:52,789 --> 00:57:50,559
down that rabbit hole

1365
00:57:54,789 --> 00:57:52,799
there are endless mazes and clues and

1366
00:57:55,990 --> 00:57:54,799
information and dead ends and all sorts

1367
00:57:58,309 --> 00:57:56,000
of things

1368
00:58:00,950 --> 00:57:58,319
while it is extremely

1369
00:58:03,270 --> 00:58:00,960
unlikely bordering on

1370
00:58:05,190 --> 00:58:03,280
probably impossible that we will ever

1371
00:58:07,589 --> 00:58:05,200
really know the identity of jack the

1372
00:58:10,789 --> 00:58:07,599
ripper if indeed it was one

1373
00:58:12,710 --> 00:58:10,799
person responsible for all the crimes

1374
00:58:13,589 --> 00:58:12,720
i sincerely don't think we're going to

1375
00:58:17,190 --> 00:58:13,599
find

1376
00:58:20,069 --> 00:58:17,200
that elusive information from the

1377
00:58:21,670 --> 00:58:20,079
mind of anyone claiming to have psychic

1378
00:58:23,109 --> 00:58:21,680
power

1379
00:58:25,750 --> 00:58:23,119
i almost think there should be an

1380
00:58:27,990 --> 00:58:25,760
automatic caveat whenever a psychic or

1381
00:58:29,109 --> 00:58:28,000
somebody claiming psychic powers

1382
00:58:31,829 --> 00:58:29,119
says

1383
00:58:34,230 --> 00:58:31,839
words to the effect of i have helped

1384
00:58:35,430 --> 00:58:34,240
police with so and so case or i help

1385
00:58:37,430 --> 00:58:35,440
police

1386
00:58:39,270 --> 00:58:37,440
the word help should be crossed out with

1387
00:58:41,349 --> 00:58:39,280
big red ink

1388
00:58:43,670 --> 00:58:41,359
and what should replace it

1389
00:58:45,829 --> 00:58:43,680
is the word hindered

1390
00:58:46,710 --> 00:58:45,839
once again thank you to the people

1391
00:58:49,190 --> 00:58:46,720
who

1392
00:58:51,030 --> 00:58:49,200
spend many hours i'm sure digitizing

1393
00:58:53,349 --> 00:58:51,040
newspapers and gazettes and articles and

1394
00:58:56,630 --> 00:58:53,359
reports and magazines so everybody

1395
00:58:58,870 --> 00:58:56,640
around the world can benefit from

1396
00:59:02,170 --> 00:58:58,880
diving into that trove

1397
00:59:02,180 --> 00:59:21,270
[Music]

1398
00:59:25,190 --> 00:59:22,950
thank you for listening to the skeptic

1399
00:59:27,670 --> 00:59:25,200
zone now one more quick reminder from

1400
00:59:28,789 --> 00:59:27,680
our friends at the canberra skeptics

1401
00:59:34,309 --> 00:59:28,799
on

1402
00:59:35,750 --> 00:59:34,319
australia so that's tomorrow

1403
00:59:38,630 --> 00:59:35,760
tomorrow here in australia which will be

1404
00:59:41,030 --> 00:59:38,640
monday from 6 p.m

1405
00:59:42,069 --> 00:59:41,040
that's uh australian eastern standard

1406
00:59:44,789 --> 00:59:42,079
time

1407
00:59:46,470 --> 00:59:44,799
you can hear dr brad mackay talking

1408
00:59:49,510 --> 00:59:46,480
about fake medicine exposing the

1409
00:59:51,910 --> 00:59:49,520
wellness crazes cons and quacks

1410
00:59:53,030 --> 00:59:51,920
costing us our health

1411
00:59:58,390 --> 00:59:53,040
always

1412
01:00:00,870 --> 00:59:58,400
a very well informed

1413
01:00:03,270 --> 01:00:00,880
doctor he is and you can find out more

1414
01:00:04,390 --> 01:00:03,280
about that talk which you can attend via

1415
01:00:05,990 --> 01:00:04,400
zoom

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anywhere in the world

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just head to canberra

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skeptics.org

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a big shout out to my friend dr angie

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01:00:16,230 --> 01:00:15,119
matkey who is doing it tough at the

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moment

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as an emergency physician

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working out of ohio at the moment and

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a big shout out

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to all the doctors and nurses and

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healthcare workers out there

1427
01:00:33,349 --> 01:00:30,960
around the world who are having a

1428
01:00:34,950 --> 01:00:33,359
particularly bad time at the moment

1429
01:00:37,030 --> 01:00:34,960
because you can imagine with lots of

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resources being stretched to the limit

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01:00:41,109 --> 01:00:39,440
with covert 19 patients it means

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everybody else is also being stretched

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to limit all the other emergencies and

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other health issues are all being

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impacted which makes all those people

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01:00:52,470 --> 01:00:49,680
who are conspiracy theorists when it

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01:00:54,230 --> 01:00:52,480
comes to cover 19 or evil vaccinations

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01:00:56,230 --> 01:00:54,240
or whatever a little bit hard to take at

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01:00:57,670 --> 01:00:56,240
the moment speaking of a conspiracy

1440
01:00:59,829 --> 01:00:57,680
there is one of the stories coming up on

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01:01:00,950 --> 01:00:59,839
next week's show i'm going to be looking

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01:01:02,470 --> 01:01:00,960
at some

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5g

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conspiracy nonsense

1445
01:01:12,309 --> 01:01:07,680
and an unfortunate and ridiculous

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01:01:14,230 --> 01:01:12,319
full-page ad full page in a local

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newspaper in the northern rivers of new

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01:01:17,190 --> 01:01:15,440
south wales

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01:01:19,589 --> 01:01:17,200
which was full of

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01:01:21,349 --> 01:01:19,599
5g conspiracy theories

1451
01:01:25,030 --> 01:01:21,359
how this page was ever allowed to be

1452
01:01:26,870 --> 01:01:25,040
published is beyond me and finally thank

1453
01:01:30,069 --> 01:01:26,880
you to those people who

1454
01:01:31,589 --> 01:01:30,079
are continuing despite everything else

1455
01:01:33,589 --> 01:01:31,599
who are continuing to support the

1456
01:01:36,069 --> 01:01:33,599
skeptic zone financially at paypal or

1457
01:01:39,829 --> 01:01:36,079
patreon and you can do that by visiting

1458
01:01:43,510 --> 01:01:41,910
and i know a lot of people in australia

1459
01:01:45,109 --> 01:01:43,520
and sydney melbourne

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01:01:46,549 --> 01:01:45,119
and the rest of the the country are

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01:01:48,950 --> 01:01:46,559
doing it hard at the moment a lot of

1462
01:01:51,270 --> 01:01:48,960
people have lost their jobs you know

1463
01:01:52,950 --> 01:01:51,280
it's it's not a good situation

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01:01:55,990 --> 01:01:52,960
and

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as as i've told you before all all my

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01:01:59,510 --> 01:01:57,680
other sources of income have stopped now

1467
01:02:01,670 --> 01:01:59,520
because of covert 19

1468
01:02:03,589 --> 01:02:01,680
all the things i did and especially

1469
01:02:05,190 --> 01:02:03,599
galling is the fact that for the second

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01:02:07,109 --> 01:02:05,200
year running the mystery investigator

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01:02:09,910 --> 01:02:07,119
show i do with my friend maynard and ian

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01:02:12,390 --> 01:02:09,920
bryce and other people over the years

1473
01:02:14,390 --> 01:02:12,400
the show where we

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01:02:16,390 --> 01:02:14,400
teach students all about

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01:02:18,150 --> 01:02:16,400
the mysteries of the world

1476
01:02:19,829 --> 01:02:18,160
as

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01:02:21,190 --> 01:02:19,839
all through the lens of the scientific

1478
01:02:22,950 --> 01:02:21,200
method

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01:02:24,789 --> 01:02:22,960
and it's just been a passion of mine for

1480
01:02:26,150 --> 01:02:24,799
nearly 20 years

1481
01:02:28,150 --> 01:02:26,160
and apart from anything else it's

1482
01:02:30,470 --> 01:02:28,160
regular income every year so that's all

1483
01:02:33,349 --> 01:02:30,480
gone thank you covert thank you covert

1484
01:02:34,710 --> 01:02:33,359
the gift that just yeah anyway

1485
01:02:36,150 --> 01:02:34,720
so again

1486
01:02:37,750 --> 01:02:36,160
thank you to those people who can still

1487
01:02:39,349 --> 01:02:37,760
contribute to the show

1488
01:02:42,309 --> 01:02:39,359
but for this week this is richard

1489
01:02:48,069 --> 01:02:42,319
saunders signing off from lockdown

1490
01:02:51,270 --> 01:02:49,829
you've been listening to the skeptic

1491
01:02:52,630 --> 01:02:51,280
zone podcast

1492
01:02:55,829 --> 01:02:52,640
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1493
01:03:01,430 --> 01:02:58,950
for show notes contacts and to access

1494
01:03:03,670 --> 01:03:01,440
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1495
01:03:05,589 --> 01:03:03,680
to 2008.

1496
01:03:08,390 --> 01:03:05,599
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1497
01:03:10,549 --> 01:03:08,400
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1498
01:03:12,789 --> 01:03:10,559
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1499
01:03:14,870 --> 01:03:12,799
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1500
01:03:18,150 --> 01:03:14,880
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1501
01:03:21,430 --> 01:03:18,160
via patreon or paypal the skeptic zone

1502
01:03:23,109 --> 01:03:21,440
podcast is an independent production the

1503
01:03:25,349 --> 01:03:23,119
views and opinions expressed on the

1504
01:03:27,910 --> 01:03:25,359
skeptic zone are not necessarily those

1505
01:03:40,150 --> 01:03:27,920
of australian skeptics or any other

1506
01:03:45,510 --> 01:03:43,270
susan can't you get access to a large

1507
01:03:47,109 --> 01:03:45,520
photocopier scanner where you can just

1508
01:03:48,390 --> 01:03:47,119
stack them all nicely and just put it in

1509
01:03:49,910 --> 01:03:48,400
and they all just change well that's

1510
01:03:51,750 --> 01:03:49,920
what i was doing i have one

1511
01:03:54,150 --> 01:03:51,760
people people are being very rude and

1512
01:03:55,829 --> 01:03:54,160
making fun of susan boom boom boom boom

1513
01:03:57,430 --> 01:03:55,839
yeah i have one of those and me sitting

1514
01:03:59,990 --> 01:03:57,440
right here they're making fun of my

1515
01:04:01,670 --> 01:04:00,000
laughs oh they're making fun of adrian

1516
01:04:03,670 --> 01:04:01,680
we love your laughs

1517
01:04:05,349 --> 01:04:03,680
we're making you have a wonderful laugh

1518
01:04:06,789 --> 01:04:05,359
and folks we're doing the australian

1519
01:04:08,710 --> 01:04:06,799
great australian psychic prediction

1520
01:04:10,789 --> 01:04:08,720
project once again but we keep lingering

1521
01:04:14,230 --> 01:04:10,799
on after the official end every week and

1522
01:04:16,549 --> 01:04:14,240
just chat about things mainly about code

1523
01:04:17,910 --> 01:04:16,559
this week folks we have this is the dice

1524
01:04:19,430 --> 01:04:17,920
game of course the part of the show

1525
01:04:21,589 --> 01:04:19,440
where you get to predict using your

1526
01:04:23,510 --> 01:04:21,599
psychic powers or dumb luck

1527
01:04:25,750 --> 01:04:23,520
what number will come up i'm holding it

1528
01:04:28,870 --> 01:04:25,760
up in front of the crew here on zoom so

1529
01:04:29,990 --> 01:04:28,880
they can all see it it's a d10

1530
01:04:33,829 --> 01:04:30,000
sort of a

1531
01:04:36,549 --> 01:04:33,839
marbly sort of d10

1532
01:04:37,910 --> 01:04:36,559
what numbers will come up i wonder susan

1533
01:04:39,890 --> 01:04:37,920
would you care to

1534
01:04:43,109 --> 01:04:39,900
make a prediction

1535
01:04:45,910 --> 01:04:43,119
[Laughter]

1536
01:04:47,270 --> 01:04:45,920
i think i'll pick a

1537
01:04:48,150 --> 01:04:47,280
a five

1538
01:04:50,870 --> 01:04:48,160
shot

1539
01:04:53,430 --> 01:04:50,880
shocker i think i need to take the susan

1540
01:04:55,270 --> 01:04:53,440
approach except just go for 666 every

1541
01:04:57,190 --> 01:04:55,280
time after our last night

1542
01:04:58,950 --> 01:04:57,200
okay just as good as mine which have

1543
01:04:59,750 --> 01:04:58,960
been crap anybody else want to have a

1544
01:05:00,950 --> 01:04:59,760
guess

1545
01:05:03,750 --> 01:05:00,960
four five

1546
01:05:05,750 --> 01:05:03,760
threes

1547
01:05:07,029 --> 01:05:05,760
oh i was good

1548
01:05:11,029 --> 01:05:07,039
i heard some podcast segment that

1549
01:05:15,430 --> 01:05:13,029
what do you say michelle

1550
01:05:19,109 --> 01:05:15,440
three three here it comes here it comes

1551
01:05:22,630 --> 01:05:21,029
okay i'll hold it up to the camera so

1552
01:05:23,990 --> 01:05:22,640
you can all see

1553
01:05:25,349 --> 01:05:24,000
yes

1554
01:05:26,870 --> 01:05:25,359
fine

1555
01:05:29,190 --> 01:05:26,880
no

1556
01:05:32,230 --> 01:05:29,200
it's a five the crowd goes wild and the

1557
01:05:34,150 --> 01:05:32,240
second roll here we go

1558
01:05:37,430 --> 01:05:34,160
predict away what do you say

1559
01:05:39,910 --> 01:05:37,440
four again five five

1560
01:05:42,150 --> 01:05:39,920
here it comes um i'm going to do the

1561
01:05:44,870 --> 01:05:42,160
luck does come in threes even though

1562
01:05:47,390 --> 01:05:44,880
that can't happen now and just stick

1563
01:05:48,829 --> 01:05:47,400
with the three all right three

1564
01:05:52,150 --> 01:05:48,839
[Music]

1565
01:05:54,630 --> 01:05:52,160
six oh nobody had six i don't think you

1566
01:05:55,829 --> 01:05:54,640
got kelly yeah kelly had sex oh kelly

1567
01:05:58,390 --> 01:05:55,839
i'm sorry

1568
01:06:00,309 --> 01:05:58,400
last one coming up

1569
01:06:04,870 --> 01:06:00,319
the thing was a four okay

1570
01:06:09,670 --> 01:06:04,880
three three and it is

1571
01:06:15,190 --> 01:06:12,710
today's winning numbers ah 5

1572
01:06:17,829 --> 01:06:15,200
6 and 6 and thank you all once again for

1573
01:06:19,270 --> 01:06:17,839
your tremendous effort over many months

1574
01:06:21,430 --> 01:06:19,280
with the great australian prediction

1575
01:06:23,589 --> 01:06:21,440
project you're very welcome

1576
01:06:26,390 --> 01:06:23,599
we want to see a book out of it

1577
01:06:30,789 --> 01:06:26,400
no book no book there better be a book